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Re: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
- Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:20:06 -0500
- From: "Werner Keilholz" <werner@xxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
Some people on the list have the same problem and are happy
to hear someone already found the solution...
so I appreciate to hear about these and I'm ready to invest the
necsessary 2 seconds to delete the message.
My feeling is that most TRNSYS users feel this way. If this is
not the case, we might of course transform the list to a group and
keep the list for (rare) official announcements only.
If you have comments about this, I suggest to contact the TRNSYS
engineer directly (mailto:kummert@sel.me.wisc.edu) and do not
'reply' to this mail.
I suggest you study the automatic mail filters in your mail program
if you don't want to be disturbed by the mail.
Werner
PS: You 'disturbed' everybody, too... ;-)
Hollmuller Pierre wrote:
> Excuse me sir, but I would like to inform you that you have been using a
> user list for your mail exchange with this person "Laurent" for the last few
> days, which means that some 100 or more people are each time wasting some
> seconds or minutes opening, reading and then trashing your mail. Thank you
> for beeing more carefull whom you send your mails to.
> Pierre
>
> >Laurent,
> >
> >I am sorry, I did not understand that this was your problem.
> >Once a variable is declared in a block of equations (on the "intermediate
> >and outputs" side), you can use it in the deck without using explicitly
> >IISiBat links.
> >All you have to do is change the "units/type" of the parameter to "String"
> >and type in the name of the variable you wish to use for a parameter (last
> >choice of the drop-down menu).
> >Please note that the equation block must be written to the deck file BEFORE
> >the type in which you want to use it, otherwise you will get an
> >"UNRECOGNIZED VARIABLE NAME OR BAD DATA CARD" error.
> >You can check this in "Control Cards / Component order"
> >
> >Michaël
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> >[mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of Laurent Serres
> > Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 03:48
> > To: trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > Subject: Re: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> > OK to do that when you write the deck file. But is it possible to write
> >the same deck with iisibat ?
> > It' s easy for the input (the output of "equation" statement is the input
> >of an other unit).
> > But for parameters? Can I obtain something like:
> >
> > Parameters 3
> > 1.0 MyPar 2.0
> >
> > Regards
> > Laurent
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Kummert (SEL)
> > To: trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 5:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
> >
> >
> > Laurent,
> >
> > Equations can be used as parameters. You can also use them as initial
> >value for inputs or derivatives.
> > However, you should only use equations that give a constant value to do
> >this, e.g:
> >
> > Equations 1
> > MyPar=1.0
> >
> > Unit 1 Type xxx
> >
> > Parameters 3
> > 1.0 MyPar 2.0
> >
> > Inputs 2
> > 1,1 1,2
> > 0.0 MyPar
> >
> > Derivatives 2
> > 10.0 MyPar
> >
> >
> > Please note that If you use equations that vary with time or that
> >include Types outputs as a parameter, the equation will be evaluated only
> >once and you might get unexpected results.
> >
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> >[mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of Laurent Serres
> > Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 01:55
> > To: trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > Subject: Re: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
> >
> >
> > Michael,
> >
> > with "constant" statement, if I define a constant, I can use it in
> >parameters of several types.
> > Can I do the same thing with "equation" statement?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Laurent Serres.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Kummert (SEL)
> > To: trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 5:48 PM
> > Subject: RE: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
> >
> >
> > Laurent,
> >
> > The "Equation" statement is more flexible than the "Constants"
> >statement but gives the same result if you restrict the expression to the
> >right of the equal sign to a constant.
> > So you can use the IISiBat "Assembly / Insert New Equation" command
> >to introduce constant expressions in your deck files.
> >
> > If you really want to use the "Constant" statement, you can add it
> >to the "Simulation cards" edit box in IISiBat Control cards (the place which
> >usually includes the "VERSION 15" line).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael Kummert
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> >[mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]On Behalf Of Laurent Serres
> > Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 09:09
> > To: trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > Subject: constant card: how can I do in iisibat?
> >
> >
> > Dear TRNSYS users,
> >
> > I'm trying to obtain the same result with iisibat that I obtained
> >with CONSTANTS card in TRNSYS. I don't find in the help.
> > How can I do?
> >
> > Thanks a lot.
> > regards.
> >
> > SERRES Laurent
> > IUT Génie Civil
> > 3, Rue du Clos Courtel
> > BP 90422
> > 35704 RENNES CEDEX 7
> > FRANCE
> > Tel: (33) 2 23 23 42 02
> >
> > Fax: (33) 2 23 23 40 51
> >
> > e-mail: laurent.serres@univ-rennes1.fr
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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> ><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
> ><META content="MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=GENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
> >size=2></FONT></DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial
> >color=#0000ff size=2>Laurent,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I am
> >sorry, I did not understand that this was your problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Once a
> >variable is declared in a block of equations (on the "intermediate and
> outputs"
> >side), you can use it in the deck without using explicitly IISiBat links.
> ></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>All
> >you have to do is change the "units/type" of the parameter to "String" and
> type
> >in the name of the variable you wish to use for a parameter (last choice of
> the
> >drop-down menu). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> size=2>Please
> >note that the equation block must be written to the deck file BEFORE the
> type in
> >which you want to use it, otherwise you will get an "<FONT size=2>UNRECOGNIZED
> >VARIABLE NAME OR BAD DATA CARD" error</FONT>. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
> >can check this in "Control Cards / Component order"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> ><DIV><SPAN class=515494613-09042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> >size=2>Michaël</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
> > owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > [mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Laurent
> > Serres<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 08, 2002 03:48<BR><B>To:</B>
> > trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: constant card: how can
> I do
> > in iisibat?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>OK to do that when you write the deck file. But
> > is it possible to write the same deck with iisibat ?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It' s easy for the input (the output of
> > "equation" statement is the input of an other unit).</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But for parameters? Can I obtain something
> > like:</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> size=2>Parameters
> > 3</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>1.0 MyPar 2.0</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN></FONT> </DIV></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards </FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Laurent</FONT></DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=kummert@sel.me.wisc.edu
> > href="mailto:kummert@sel.me.wisc.edu";>Michael Kummert (SEL)</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> title=trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > href="mailto:trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu";>trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 05, 2002 5:56
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: constant card: how can I
> > do in iisibat?</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Laurent,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Equations can be used as parameters. You can also use them as
> > initial value for inputs or derivatives.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>However, you should only use equations that give a constant
> > value to do this, e.g:</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>Equations 1</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>MyPar=1.0</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Unit 1
> > Type xxx</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>Parameters 3</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>1.0 MyPar 2.0</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>Inputs
> > 2</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>1,1 1,2</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>0.0
> > MyPar</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New"
> > size=2>Derivatives 2</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face="Courier New" size=2>10.0
> > MyPar</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Please note that If you use equations that vary with time or that
> > include Types outputs as a parameter, the equation will be evaluated
> > only once and you might get unexpected results.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002></SPAN><SPAN
> > class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Michael</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=878343815-05042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
> > owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > [mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Laurent
> > Serres<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, April 05, 2002 01:55<BR><B>To:</B>
> > trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: constant card: how
> can I
> > do in iisibat?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Michael,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>with "constant" statement, if I define a
> > constant, I can use it in parameters of several
> > types.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can I do the same thing with "equation"
> > statement?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Laurent Serres.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
> > style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
> > <DIV
> > style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color:
> black"><B>From:</B>
> > <A title=kummert@sel.me.wisc.edu
> > href="mailto:kummert@sel.me.wisc.edu";>Michael Kummert (SEL)</A> </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
> > title=trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> >
> href="mailto:trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu";>trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu</A>
> > </DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 04, 2002
> 5:48
> > PM</DIV>
> > <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: constant card:
> how can
> > I do in iisibat?</DIV>
> > <DIV><BR></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Laurent,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>The "Equation" statement is more flexible than the "Constants"
> > statement but gives the same result if you restrict the
> expression
> > to the right of the equal sign to a
> > constant. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>So you can use the IISiBat "Assembly / Insert New
> > Equation" command to introduce constant expressions in your deck
> > files.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2><SPAN class=378073415-04042002></SPAN></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2><SPAN class=378073415-04042002>If you really want to use the
> > "Constant" statement, you can add it to the "Simulation cards" edit
> box
> > in IISiBat Control cards (the place which usually includes the
> > "VERSION 15" line).</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2>Michael Kummert</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
> > <DIV><SPAN class=378073415-04042002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
> > size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
> > <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
> > size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
> > owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu
> > [mailto:owner-trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Laurent
> > Serres<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 04, 2002 09:09<BR><B>To:</B>
> > trnsys@relay.doit.wisc.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> constant card: how
> can I
> > do in iisibat?<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear TRNSYS users,</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm trying to obtain the same result
> with
> > iisibat that I obtained with CONSTANTS card in TRNSYS. I don't
> find in
> > the help.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How can I do?</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks a lot.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards.</FONT></DIV>
> > <DIV> </DIV>
> > <DIV>
> > <DIV class=Section1>
> > <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
> > style="FONT-SIZE: 14pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">SERRES
> > Laurent</SPAN></B><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><BR>IUT
> > Génie Civil<BR>3, Rue du Clos <SPAN
> class=SpellE>Courtel</SPAN><BR>BP
> > 90422<BR>35704 RENNES CEDEX 7<BR>FRANCE<BR><B>Tel: (33) 2 23 23 42
> > 02<o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></P>
> > <P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt">Fax:
> > (33) 2 23 23 40 51<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></P>
> > <P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
> > style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt; mso-ansi-language: DE">e-mail:
> > </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-bidi-font-size: 10.0pt"><A
> > href="mailto:laurent.serres@univ-rennes1.fr";><SPAN lang=DE
> > style="mso-ansi-language:
> DE">laurent.serres@univ-rennes1.fr</SPAN></A></SPAN><SPAN
> > lang=DE
> > style="mso-ansi-language:
> DE"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE
> ></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
> >
> *************************************************
> Pierre Hollmuller
> CUEPE (Centre universitaire d'etude des problemes de l'energie)
> Universite de Geneve
> Battelle batiment A
> 7 rte de Drize
> CH - 1227 Carouge
>
> tel: (+41) 22 / 705 9649
> fax: (+41) 22 / 705 9639
> e-mail: pierre.hollmuller@cuepe.unige.ch
> *************************************************
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