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Re: I LIKE TRNSYS
- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:26:39 -0500
- From: MichaŽl Kummert <kummert@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: I LIKE TRNSYS
Thank you for your comments. I have included some answers in the text
below. Many TRNSYS users have expressed similar concerns and some
frustration about some aspects of TRNSYS 15 and we are trying to improve
that for TRNSYS 16. I am sure you will have other comments/complaints
about TRNSYS 16 after it's released but you should never hesitate to
express them in a constructive way, as you did.
I take this opportunity to remind all users that they are welcome to
share their examples / tutorials with others. Many TRNSYS users are
teachers and I am sure some of you have created such material for
students or colleagues starting to use TRNSYS. If you want to share such
material, please contact me directly and I will make it available on the
Concerning the manuals, they will be reorganized in TRNSYS 16 but I am
afraid the sum of them will still amount to a "thick manual" (or a big
.PDF file, which is more environmentally friendly). But we are trying to
make the TRNSYS experience less scary for beginners.
Dear TRNSYS users,
When I decided to order TNRNSYS some months ago, it was because I wanted to
save time developing my own "radiation processor", "data reader", "control",
and most importantly "building" model.
When TRNSYS 15.3 arrived what I found was that the REFERENCE manual is as THICK
as the previous version 14 ordered by my former colleague.
It turns out that the "radiation processor" and "data reader" save my time
considerably. Unfortunately, I also needed to develop my own collector and
thermal storage models because the TYPES available in TNRSYS do not suit my
work. And I had to struggle hard to develop my DLLs so that they were
recoqnized by TRNSYS.
Besides the standard library, many component libraries are available for
TRNSYS. A good starting point to look for components is:
You can also send emails to this list to check if the component you need
When I started familiarising myself with TYPE 19 (single zone model) I learned
that I would have difficulty when I deal with more than one zones building. And
last week Michael suggested to swicth to TYPE 56 in response to an enquiry from
Pietro. I therefore "swicthed" to TYPE 56. Will Type 19 still appear in next
TNRSYS version ?
Yes, but Type 56 is the preferred way of simulating buildings (single-
or multi-zone) because of its visual interface and its continuous
What I experienced is similar to Pietro's. I have in front of me a PREBID
Version 4.0 manual and a section 220.127.116.11.3 from THICK REFERENCE MANUAL. These
do not help me much. Four pages example given in PREBID Ver. 4.0 manual is too
short for me. For example, I still have difficulties in entering or defining my
own layers or wall types, instead of using the built-in wall types or layers. I
found for example that once I defined MYLAYER01 or MYWALL1 I cannot delete it
from the list.
That is very true, but that will not be the case anymore in TRNSYS 16.
Then I looked at Section 18.104.22.168.3 of THICK MANUAL. The only information I
found useful there is the first one and a half pages (pp 22.214.171.124.3-1 and
126.96.36.199.3-2). The list starting from page 188.8.131.52.3.2 to 184.108.40.206.3-13 does not
help increase my understanding. These are the results of running the PREBID !
What I need is HOW TO CREATE SUCH RESULTS. And that means a more detailed
explanation of EXAMPLES.
TRNSYS 16 has a new wizard to create building projects (a development
version has been showed during the last users days). This should make
the whole process of creating projects (mainly building projects) from
And while I'm now patiently (impatiently) trying to learn more about PREBID, I
have already some "worries" in my mind as to the "connections" of components in
IISBiAt to utilise information I generate from PREBID, a problem similar to C H
Two weeks ago a colleague came asking whether I knew any TRNSYS course in
Australia. Perhaps I also need to attend a TRNSYS course, given my "slowness"
in grasping the information provided in the THICK MANUAL.
Upcoming TRNSYS courses are listed at:
As I said before, a course is probably the less frustrating way of
learning how to use TRNSYS, so I encourage you to attend one if you can
(I know at least two advanced users who would not mind teaching a course
in Australia ;-) ). But many people have become (very) advanced users
without ever attending a course.
But I think what's most important in the future version of TRNSYS is more
READABLE, UNDERSTANDABLE manual, with more detailed information on the EXAMPLES
or CASE STUDIES written for beginner like me. And addressing some other
problems often experienced by TRNSYS users (beginners like me especially). For
example every time I edit my project (add or delete a component) I need to
check the order of components, otherwise I give me some trouble when running
Again, we tried to improve the situation regarding that problem for the
- Equations can be added in any order (no need to order them)
- The TRNSYS Studio (next generation of IISiBat) will optimize the
component order for you, e.g. placing the data readers before the
solar radiation processors
Best of luck in your TRNSYS simulations!
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